This article, published in the Jan-Mar 2013 Bible League Quarterly, puts all the pieces together, like diabolical black pearls on a string exposing the linkage of RICK WARREN, MARK DRISCOLL, JOHN PIPER, GOSPEL COALITION, SOVEREIGN GRACE MINISTRIES, NEO-CALVINISM, ACTS29 NETWORK, ECUMENISM, AND CHRISLAM. Sovereign Grace Ministries is in meltdown. I was struck by this revelation. The root system of Sovereign Grace Ministries is the shepherding movement. The root of Calvinism is Theocracy. Combine the two, you have a demonic alloy of two metals that are even stronger when these principalities are combined. My term for this bondage and abuse of spiritual authority vs. liberty in Christ, is “Control Freak Christianity” OR SPIRITUAL EXTORTION.”

Dear James Sundquist

I’ve been through much of your material on Rick Warren and am in agreement with what you say. The video on Warren is particularly good. I’m a reformed Baptist and a member of the Metropolitan Tabernacle in London. I’ve set up two websites to contend for the Faith.

http://www.driscollcontroversy.com/

Page on Warren http://www.driscollcontroversy.com/?page_id=792

The new Calvinist website deals with the issues of the so-called New Calvinists, namely John Piper, Tim Keller, Mark Driscoll and Al Mohler. Again, I would be interested in your comments. Both Tim Keller and Mark Driscoll are very popular in the UK.
www.newcalvinist.com/

Regards
Dr ES Williams (Ted Williams)

[email protected]

ALSO SEE
KELLER’S FALSE GOSPEL
BY DR. E.S. WILLIAMS

http://the-highway.com/keller-false-gospel_Williams.html

&

Tim Keller: Dangerously Influential
By Dr. Paul M. Elliott
Part one of a series

Dr. Timothy J. Keller is one of today’s most influential religious leaders, and one of the most dangerous. At the heart of the danger is his widespread promotion of a false gospel that encapsulates Keller’s un-Biblical views of God, His Word, His creation, man, sin, the cross, and the mission of Christ’s church.

Who is Tim Keller?

Born in 1950, Timothy J. Keller is Senior Pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City. After undergraduate studies at Bucknell University, Keller earned a Master of Divinity degree from Gordon-Conwell Seminary in 1975. In 1981 he completed studies for a Doctor of Ministry degree at Westminster Theological Seminary in Philadelphia. Westminster was then, and is now, a hotbed of neo-liberal theology. Its trademarks are the deconstruction of the inspiration of Scripture and the doctrine of justification by faith alone. Keller continues to teach at Westminster as an adjunct professor of practical theology.
Rest of article:

http://www.teachingtheword.org/apps/articles/?columnid=5449&articleid=77005

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THE RIGHT DIRECTION?

An examination of where the New Evangelical policy of no separation from those associated with error and apostasy has led the theological college WEST.
R. E. Palgrave

This article can also be found on the Bible League Quarterly website: http://www.bibleleaguetrust.org for easier access to the links referenced in this document.

It was the policy of the British Evangelical Council (BEC) and Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones not to engage in church-level fellowship with evangelicals remaining in the ‘mixed denominations.’1 Individual churches, evangelical or otherwise, in denominations belonging to the World Council of Churches (WCC) were excluded from membership of the BEC. The BEC Official Statement: Attitude to Ecumenicity was clear on its policy that it would not accept into membership churches belonging to the Ecumenical Movement as to do so would compromise the Gospel and blur the distinction between truth and error…

(For complete article, go to):
www.bibleleaguetrust.org/articles/west.pdf

(Posted by Permission of the author R.E. Palgrave, with special thanks to John Thackaway, Editor of Quarterly: John P. Thackway, Pastor of Holywell Evangelical Church, North Wales of Bible League Trust)
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MARK DEVER EDICT: YOU CANNOT RESIGN FROM CHURCH MEMBERSHIP WITHOUT PERMISSION
“Churches’ membership procedures should reflect the fact that the church, not the individual member, has authority to accept and dismiss members. A member cannot unilaterally resign. A member can submit their intention to resign to the church, and the church will either accept or reject that intention.” IXMarks

http://www.9marks.org/blog/pastors-don%E2%80%99t-let-your-people-resign-thin-air

JUNE 15, 20102

Déjà Vu ALL OVER AGAIN…CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE ATTEMPTING TO SEIZE ANOTHER LOCAL CHURCH IN CALIFORNIA,
WHILE ANOTHER CHURCH IN NEW JERSEY FIGHTS IN APPEALS COURT AGAINST C&MA LAWSUIT

Hello Mr. Sundquist,

I am writing as our Church is under siege by our local South Pacific District of the Christian and Missionary Alliance. Our local church is located in Baldwin Park California. We are currently vigilantly occupying the property to avoid being locked out. Please contact us if you can offer any guidance or assistance.

Praying for their willingness to reconcile,

Avery Schott
GCACLA.ORG

Hello James,

Thank you for your response. The following is a brief summary of our situation and some email correspondence. I have attached documents we received from the District:

This past Feb a leader in our church, who is related to a family that has demonstrated a dislike for our pastor over the years, was suspended by the board and pastor (majority vote) and ordered to stop teaching Sunday school. This was due to an ongoing unresolved issue of adultery. This caused division within our congregation and board as this individual felt it was a personal attack from our pastor. Since the voluntary exodus of this leader and his supporters another congregation came to worship with us as they had no place for themselves. We began to enjoy unity and peacefulness without the distraction or gossiping of those related to this leader who over the years have voiced their discontent with our pastor. We even were able to launch a new food ministry, glory to God for the abundant provisions. The unhappy parties approach the local C&MA district with complaints and this began the siege upon our local congregation. You see the district Superintendent Bill Malick was already displeased with our pastor for speaking out against the closure of a nearby local church. I believe that because of this the Bill is bringing up numerous complaints filed in prior years from this family who since 2004 has been consistently attacking and poisoning our congregation. Bill has demonstrated bias and support by limiting his contact to just that family and their supporters. We have not had visits or notice of any complaints that warrant action over the years and really feel that this bias is based upon a personal agenda and the intent to control the property owned by the local church. So we arrive at the current week in which the district attempted to lock us out of the property. We have been vigilantly occupying the property to avoid the district from taking possession.

Thank you James and God Bless you for lending your ear,

Avery Schott

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Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 8:08 AM

(Please distribute to friends of GCAC who have received previous emails)

June 12, 2012

Dear Friends,

The South Pacific District of the Christian and Missionary Alliance has had to make the difficult decision to take possession of the Grace Community Alliance Church (GCAC) property. Today the building was secured and all services and use of the building cancelled until further notice. As you know from our letter of May 23, 2012, it was not our intention to cancel services, in fact we “…invited San Gabriel Valley Christian Fellowship under the leadership of Pastor Hernan Pada, to continue meeting at the church facility during this time of evaluation” to “provide a place of worship and care.” However, it became necessary to take this action as a result of the decisions and actions of former GCAC pastor, Fred Cheock, and with the apparent agreement and approval of his supporters.

Mr. Cheock was clearly instructed via registered letter and other communications, and again at a meeting on June 7, 2012, that he was removed from the pastoral assignment of Grace Community Alliance Church effective May 23, 2012. Present at the June 7, 2012, meeting were district Filipino pastors, the president of the Association of Filipino Churches, Bong Collado (see attached letter), and other interested parties.

Though directed “not to attend activities and services of the church,” Mr. Cheock has refused to submit to this directive even after stating that he would comply. Those who continue to attend GCAC are apparently in support his actions.

Grace Community Alliance Church has a long history as an Alliance Church. The Uniform Constitution and the By-laws clearly describe the relationship with the C&MA and the constituted authority. Unfortunately, GCAC now stands in violation of that authority.

While we still have hope for a better and effective future for GCAC, these actions have left us with no alternative but to cancel all services and activities at GCAC until further notice.

Sincerely,

Rev. Bill Malick
Re: Friends of GCAC and SGVCF

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FROM:
AVERY SCHOTT
TO:
Bill Malick

Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:04 PM

Hello SPD Leadership,

This Letter is to inform you of my grave disappointment in your recent attempt to bully our Local Congregation by breaking in to and desecrating the GCAC property. I arrived at the property at 3:30pm 6-12-12 to find that the locks on the outside of the gates were removed, I proceeded to enter the property and investigate the apparent break in. As the building administrator I have the responsibility to insure the property is free from vandalism and theft. Not knowing what had happened I proceeded to enter and inspect both buildings to assess the situation. I was surprised to find the accounting office ransacked as well as the Pastors office. I proceeded to contact the Leadership of GCAC and the local authorities to inform them of my findings. I noticed many items missing and photographed all areas.
I am very surprised that you would violate local laws simply to impose your will on the Local Church. I had read and heard of your doing so in the past but was taken aback by this blatant display of disregard and respect for the Body. There was no prior notice of intent or posting of any notice on the property, simply malicious, unscrupulous and immoral behavior.

I received an email at 5:44pm 6-12-12 forwarded by Felix Lucero with the attached letter indicating that in fact you did commit the offense. Again, we will continue to function as a Local Church until such time we can meet and reconcile. I would also appreciate advance notice of any future attempt to visit the property as there will be a caretaker on the premises at all times.
Praying for reconciliation,
Avery Schott

From: Ernesto Villalon

Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: Friends of GCAC and SGVCF
DEXCOM,
In response to the letter dated June 8, 2012 from Bill Malick SPD Superintendent the Board of Grace Community Alliance Church would like to express the following;
The informal meeting in which all parties with interest in your discussion were not invited is an inappropriate forum as basis for any decision affecting the local church body. As such no decisions can be seen as proper or binding.
We do not agree that you, as the leadership in the South Pacific District, have followed the policy and guidelines set forth in the governing documents. As such the arbitrary nature of the decisions made can not be held as valid.
The decision to place GCAC in Development status is again arbitrary as the conditions to qualify this change were not met according to the procedure for reclassifying accredited churches to developing status. As such we do not see this change as valid.
Again we encourage you all to meet with our local governance board which has been duly elected and in consideration of and regard for our local congregation honor the request to work collaboratively to clarify any misunderstandings and work to restore and reconcile.

The Board of Elders of GCAC,
[names removed for security reasons]

FROM:
AVERY SCHOTT
TO:
Bill Malick
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:16 AM

Hello All,

It is with a heavy heart that I write this note to you all, to bring to our District leadership and your attention this matter that Prayerfully you all will consider.
Attached is a letter that was initially sent to [name removed for security reasons] only and not to the rest of the board or congregation, from Pastor Bill Malick regarding the decision of the District leadership.

We have made several attempts to encourage a dialogue between Pastor Bill Malick and the Current congregation and leadership. The Current local church body is relevant as Pastor Malick has only chosen to speak to those members who left the church at various times throughout the past and for various reasons. This disregard for the Current Local Church Body and Leadership is contrary to the Christian doctrine. The lack of willingness to Restore and Reconcile the Body is disappointing to say the least. The rush to Judgement and imposition of personal will without taking the time to Observe and Submit to the working of the Lord in our local church, is also discouraging. The testimony of Sharon, Pastor Fred’s daughter, regarding Pastor Bills “yelling” at her father over the phone on multiple occasions is disturbing, to say the least. The assertions of Pastor Bill in the attached letter to the “Friends of GCAC” are as follows:
First, the issue of “Leadership Compatibility,” well the Current and Relevant leadership has been Harmoniously working with the congregation and our guests while following the leading of the Lord to his Glory. We have a renewed hope and spiritual peace within the church. Those who decided to leave willingly while being lovingly encouraged to stay have made a decision I can only hope was prayerful and I trust the Lords leading.
Second, Pastor Bill cites the “Significant Division within the body and leadership,” Again, this statement is not based upon the testimony of current members or observation, but only on the testimony of those who have had issue.
Third, Pastor Bill noted a “significant decline in attendance as well as financial viability,” what is this based upon? We have faithfully recorded attendance for many years and our records will demonstrate our attendance is well above that which would place our church in jeopardy of losing accreditation status. Our current attendance with our fellow worshipers actually well exceeds our average for the past two years. Praise God for his work. In regards to our “financial viability,” we are current with our mortgage payment and all other expenses other than our Pastor Fred’s salary, which he has willingly given up as he relies upon the Lord for provision and the Lord has been faithful to insure his well being. Also, we have always faithfully paid more than required of the offering to the District. As a matter of fact please check the records of the last financials offered by the District which detail GCAC’s stability and faithfulness.
In addition, is our Pastor and his family so much worse than a sinner that they are banned from the church property? You have, on so many occasions, failed to acknowledge the position that Pastor Fred holds referring to him in your correspondence as simply Fred. This title is acknowledged as it is his calling from the Lord and not a title you can revoke.

Lastly, It is not by your invitation, Pastor Bill, that San Gabriel Valley Christian Fellowship came to GCAC and have come to be one in spirit with us, this was the work of the Lord!

Update!…..Since the attached letter was sent Pastor Bill has continued to push by first imposing his responsibility toward the stewardship of the body, following his placement of GCAC in Development status, on Pastor Pada of SGCVF and then retracting that directive about a week later only to threaten loss of Pastor Padas license if he is not compliant with the demand that he and his congregation must vacate the church property. Pastor Bill is acting in reckless abandon of the Lords will which you can confirm with the testimony of our current worshipers seeking to divide further that which the Lord has brought together.
Again, in Love for you all and for the Holiness of the Gospel and respect for the Lords leading please pray and be patient. Let us not be so quick to abandon and destroy the Lords work. Let us correct the failure to seek restoration and reconciliation.
The following are letters of rebuke to Pastor Malick written separately from myself and my wife on two separate occasions, seeking to encourage a meeting focused on restoration. Please take the time to read and understand the emotional distress under which these were written and forgive us for any offense as our intention was to inform and rebuke.
In Christ,
Avery Schott
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Re: Response to letter for June 9th Meeting
Saturday, May 26, 2012 4:09 PM
From:

“Rosalinda Dominguez”

To:
“Bill Malick”

Hello Mr. Bill,
I am a current member of GCAC and have been active in both ministry as well as financial support of the church for 2 yrs now. In this time period I have not heard of nor have I had the occasion to meet or even see you in or around GCAC. I am completely dumbfounded when I attempt to understand this personal attack that you have embarked upon soliciting the support from other Former GCAC members whom have No relevance to the current congregation and the church business. I am deeply disappointed to see that someone with your level of responsibility could act in such an irresponsible manner and with such unchristian-like character. You have constantly failed to acknowledge the title given to our Pastor Fred Cheock, which is not a title given by you but by a calling from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
You continue to address people outside of our congregation as if they have chosen to continue to support the Lords work at GCAC, which I can personally attest to the Fact that they Don’t and haven’t for quite some time if ever. This is exactly the type of strategy I would expect from a child or someone in the business of Gossip. Again as a Mature adult who believes in the Biblical principals set forth in the gospel I know as FACT that you have only attempted to garner support to continue a personal attack on my Pastor Fred Cheock. This is evidenced by your statements, your demeanor, your disrespect, your lack of willingness to even talk to the congregation, your lack of explanation as to the accusations of those disgruntled members and your lack of orderly process as described in the Discipline policy of the C&MA. I reference the Discipline policy because even as you have stated in your letter addressed to the “Friends” of GCAC you point out that there are no Moral or Disciplinary actions to be taken, but clearly a removal and banishment of a Pastor would fall into the area of Expulsion which is described in the Disciplinary policy.
Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that such a Life altering decision on your part could come so quickly without due process or due diligence on your behalf. I know that our church has records of everything including your discussions with the Board of Elders and Pastor Fred Cheock. Your disregard for the evidence on our behalf is disgusting! You have provided no copy of the accusations brought about and led by one Family from the Congregation who was unable to effect their will upon our Pastor in the past as the C&MA dissolved the prior board citing the fact that the Board was the Problem and not Pastor Fred Cheock and furthermore offered ongoing and Future support to GCAC. Since then, we have seen no effort on your behalf to work out any issues or concerns for our congregation. Furthermore, you have not even felt the need to advise us of any issues that were worthy of concern. I guess since the Superintendent at that time was not you, I would expect anyone in that position to follow the 125 years of policy revision set forth by the C&MA. A policy is only as good as the enforcement and adherence. Please do not demean our congregation by citing such things as you have grossly neglected to follow.
Please understand I am completely aware that this attack is from Satan and not you personally or those disgruntled FORMER members and as such we are more than willing and Able to stand and defend the will of God in our lives and Church. Complete submission you refer to in Romans needs to be filtered through the context of the entire Gospel and there are many instances in which standing in Faith was rewarded by our Lord as the will of God always prevails, so please do me a favor, Demonstrate a little more Love, Compassion, Humility, Holiness, Patience and Restraint of your tongue before going further!
I pray for your consideration,
Rosalinda Dominguez
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Re: Response to letter for June 9th Meeting
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:00 PM
From:
“AVERY SCHOTT”

To:
“Bill Malick”

Hello Pastor Bill,

My name is Avery Schott and I have recently been elected as an Elder at Grace Community Alliance Church. I am married, 40 years old and have three children ages 22, 17 and 12. I have quite a diverse background including fostering over 15 children in my household as well as coaching and personal training one of my nephews to the pro’s in basketball and three of my nephews to the pro’s in tennis all of whom received full ride scholarships to college. My formal education is in Electronics Engineering and I have been involved in Construction Management for the past 8 years.

I would like to start by saying that I am deeply concerned about the manner that you and your associates have conducted yourselves. Please know as a fellow brother in Christ, that I seek nothing more than restoration and reconciliation.
I have attended Grace Community Alliance Church for two years now and during this time I have never observed your visitation of the Church. It would seem to be a priority of the District and most especially the Superintendent to periodically visit to share and support our ministries. I am a public servant, employed by local government and as a public employee my dedication to upholding the policies and ordinances of my jurisdiction is of the utmost importance.
I mention this because I do not appreciate your attempt to hide behind the Gospel as you impose your will upon the local church more specifically, in this particular instance, Grace Community Alliance Church. I would hope that someone of your experience while understanding the demands of your position should also feel the importance of adhering to the policy and ordinances of your jurisdiction, respecting those who have, over many years, prayerfully and carefully created and revised the C&MA governing documents.

As one Man to Another, please do not be offended by my words of rebuke but understand my Love for Christ and the local congregation to which I belong. I choose not to post this to a public forum as you have, but instead attempt to reconcile this matter with you personally first. It is my opinion in agreement with the policies set forth in The C&MA governing documents that we should “Collaboratively” (as stated in the Mission Statement of the C&MA) and with the intention of promoting the Health of each and every local church and its ministries.

I will not detail every instance in which the Governing Policy has not been adhered to, but instead seek to encourage a discourse that will lead to reconciliation. My prayers and hope are that you will take some time to reflect and consider our position.
First, I want to address the assertion that we are “standing against God’s clear word”. My understanding of Romans 13 agrees with this well stated commentary from Adam Clarke (Renowned British Theologian):

Commentary on Romans 13-1,”Nothing can justify the opposition of the subjects to the ruler but overt attempts on his part to change the constitution, or to rule contrary to law. When the ruler acts thus he dissolves the compact between him and his people; his authority is no longer binding, because illegal; and it is illegal because he is acting contrary to the laws of that constitution, according to which, on being raised to the supreme power, he promised to govern. This conduct justifies opposition to his government.”

I hope that you understand our regard for the Gospel and the desire to follow. I have conviction through prayer and fasting that the Lord’s will is Not for the Leadership or the Ministry at our local church to be replaced or redirected.
I feel I need to share a little history minus all the details which I hope to share with you in the near future. I have come to understand that the reason for the lack of “growth” in our local church was due to a constant poisoning of the body by the actions of a particular family of individuals within the church. The [name removed for security reasons] family has had such an adverse impact on the work and progress of the church beginning from my understanding since before the placement of Pastor Fred Cheock.
I have observed this first hand on many occasions and am proud to say that we finally in prayer and petition to the Lord have seen our God work to systematically free us from that which plagued our ministry. It was not until just the past few months that we finally were released from this bondage, unfortunately so many over the years were affected. This struggle has taken its toll but I am again proud to say that we have a very strong core of Righteous individuals willing to uphold the Holiness of the Gospel.

You cannot imagine how disheartening it was to find that just as the Lord was rewarding our Faithfullness by revealing a vision and direction for our ministry to grow that we suffered attacks once again from the aforementioned family including our very own District leadership. Leadership we would have expected to come to assist and lift us up in support rather than condemn simply based upon the testimony of the “dedicated vocal antagonists” without regard to, or hearing the testimony of those who persevered.
I cannot express the discouragement we all felt.

I am prayerful that you will agree to meet with us soon to work toward reconciliation in our relationship. I pray the Lord will encourage you to reconsider with the understanding that it is never too late to resist divisiveness and come together as one body.

Your Brother in Christ,

Avery Schott
GCACLA.ORG

Rick Warren clamored for his Global Peace Plan and touted it to include Muslims. He even changed the P from Plant Churches to Promote Reconciliation in order diffuse any chance of offending Muslims. Even tried to invoked Scripture to justify it including Muslims…long before the recent uproar in the OC Register. What does he take us all for…fools? Who does he think he is kidding? And as you both point out he signed the Christian Response long before the OC uproars. This is beyond the pale!

BOTTOM LINE:

THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE PRINCE OF PEACE IS GOING TO FORGE HIS GLOBAL PEACE PLAN WITH THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS (RICK WARREN’S GLOBAL PEACE PLAN HE IS FORGING WITH MUSLIMS)

“Rick Warren Caught Fibbing?” World Net Daily

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/newspaper-catches-rick-warren-fibbing/

Rick Warren Exposes His Congregation to the False Financial Teaching of Robert Morris

http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/09/rick-warren-exposes-his-congregation-to.html

Robert Morris of Gateway Church and Rick Warren defy the Apostle Paul, who made it abundantly clear that all financial giving must NOT be out of compulsion or necessity:

“Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.” 2 Corinthians 9:7

Note, that just like in Islam, Rick Warren and his speakers, made giving compulsory. In fact, it is one of the required works in Five Pillars of Islam. It is called: “Zakat (i.e. obligatory charity)”. SOURCE:

http://answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol1/7c.html

Though in Islam it is not 10% tithe but, 2.5%…but it is still a works religion, cursed by Paul in Galatians

ALSO SEE:

http://www.thelawofchrist.org/tithing_under_the_curse_of_the_law.htm

Why is Rick Warren and Robert Morris putting a burden on the saints that not even the Council in Jerusalem declared re the Gentiles in the Book of Acts? Where is your burden found in that decree? Are you more astute than all of the Apostles James, Peter, and Paul, gathered in Jerusalem?

RUSSELL EARL KELLY, PHD, DEMOLISHES DAVE RAMSEY
(RICK WARREN COLLABORATOR) STRONGHOLD

http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/id74.html

SHOULD CHURCH TEACH TITHE DEBATE, PART 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPewj4IE7kg

This is a brilliant video series by Dr. Earl Kelly.

Rick Warren Does Not Tithe
Rick Warren Does Not Reverse Tithe
By Dr. Earl Kelly

“Rick Warren does not tithe at all because he has changed the biblical definition of tithes. Although money was very common even in Genesis and essential for sanctuary worship in Exodus, money is never included in 17 texts which describe the contents of the tithe as food from inside Israel which has been miraculously increased by God. This never changed for over 1500 years from Leviticus to Luke.

Rick Warren has made so much money selling books in every book store, Wal-Mart and grocery store that he does not need any other income.” www.tithing-russkelly.com

Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Dr. Earl Kelly

Dr. Earl Kelly interview on PROPHETIC NEWS with Susan Puzio, March 16 2012
Tithing-Music you PAY God? Blessings For Sale?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/prophetic-news/2012/03/17/tihthing-must-you-pay-god-blessings-for-sale

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TO TITHE OR NOT TO TITHE…CBS NEWS:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-3445_162-3896728.html

The above debates and speeches are the best speeches on tithing I have ever heard.
Compare them to Robert Morris, Pastor of Gateway, and Dave Ramsey

http://www.daveramsey.com/article/daves-advice-on-tithing-and-giving/lifeandmoney_church/

who both spoke at Rick Warren’s church (Rick Warren requires it of members, who must sign a covenant):

Also see:
JIMMY MONTESANO ON TITHING (IS IT COMPULSORY FOR CHRISTIANS…WHAT DOES SCRIPTURE TEACH)?

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=228121830274

MERCHANDISING MEN'S SOULS, Part 1 Host: Dr. Larry Spargimino Guest: James Sundquist

Did you know that occult and New Age authors boldly brag that the human founding fathers of Psychotherapy and Psychology received their understandings from “familiar spirits”? Did you know that some pastors today are taking over churches and church bank accounts and then selling the land and the church? James Sundquist, author of Who’s Driving the Purpose Driven Church? and Rick Warren’s Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan, and David Bay reveal how the Emerging Church and Purpose Driven Church movements are destroying Christianity in the United States.