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A Public Rebuke of Rick Warren, John Piper, Burk Parsons, and Kevin DeYoung

October 29th, 2010 Leave a comment Go to comments

Author James SundquistA BIBLICAL RESPONSE TO RICK WARREN’S BATTLE OF THE MIND SPEECH AND PANEL RESPONSE
OF
2010 DESIRING GOD CONFERENCE

BY JAMES SUNDQUIST

Rick Warren’s “Battle of the Mind” Speech at the Desiring God 2010 THINK Conference (which Rick Warren did not attend but presented on videotape) resulted in a torrent of emails to me from Christians who were alarmed.  I also received a number of concerns about the response from John Piper and his panel at the conference after hearing Warren’s speech.  I had not planned on even listening to the speech because there had not yet been any formal or public repentance from Rick Warren for all of his false teachings in his Purpose Driven Life book or for the destruction he has wrought in churches all over the U.S. (a repentance speech is a speech that I would have made sure to hear).  But the indignation over the “Battle of the Mind” speech had grown so large, I felt compelled to view it and respond.  Before this I had appealed to and warned John Piper because he had invited Rick Warren to speak at his 2010 Desiring God Conference.  My appeal can be read at:

http://rock-to-salt.cephasministry.com/James_Sundquist_Response_to_John_Piper_Inviting_Rick_Warren_to_Defile_his_pulpit_and_people.html

John Piper did not listen to me or a host of other Christians who appealed to him or publicly rebuked him or Rick Warren.  Also see:

http://newdemonstration.com/defending-contending/john-piper-rick-warren-and-the-doctrine-of-separation

for Tim Challies’ appeal regarding Warren’s appearance.  John Piper invited him anyway.  What follows is my response to Rick Warren’s speech as well as my commentary on the Panel’s response at the 2010 Desiring God Conference.  I agree with Tim Challies.

Many of the concerns about Rick Warren’s teachings are itemized in two reference books I wrote entitled: Who’s Driving the Purpose Driven Church? and Rick Warren’s Global Peace Plan vs. Scriptural Teachings on Peace, published by Southwest Radio Ministries http://www.swrc.com.  These books expose the false teachings of Rick Warren, including documented case studies of churches in which he was a destroyer of the brethren.  I am heartened to learn that so many good brothers and sisters in Christ such as Ken Silva, Ingrid Schlueter, Paula Coyle, Chris Rosebrough, Daniel Neades, and Justin Edwards  saw right through what Rick Warren presented at Piper’s Desiring God Conference.  But I am sorely vexed that Piper and the Desiring God Conference Panel of sycophants including Piper himself, Pastor Burk Parsons (Ligonier…R.C. Sproul) and Pastor Kevin DeYoung (University Reformed Church) would cheer on this wolf masquerading as a servant of righteousness, rendering themselves derelict watchmen on the wall…a reproach to all of the saints that Rick Warren’s PDL and Global Peace Plan ship’s propeller has left dismembered throughout the world.

Rick Warren opens his speech by telling us that his having to take care of the sick and his family medical emergencies was a major attack of Satan against him personally.  Certainly all Christians have compassion for anyone who goes through difficult circumstances in life, and we know that some of these circumstances are attributable to attacks from Satan.  But Rick Warren seems to talk about this in a way that is emotionally manipulative to the audience.  How he describes what he is experiencing is rather startling because visiting the sick is something every pastor would be doing in the normal course of being a pastor, as should every Christian.  What Rick Warren described would have been typical for a physician who attends patients for any week out of the year.  For him to come up and tell the listeners that even administering medical attention to accident victims or someone who came in to the emergency room of the hospital…often in the middle of the night, was another “attack from the enemy…or Satan” would be unthinkable if not bizarre.  This should be standard fare for physicians and pastors and the normal response of good Samaritans and conforms to Christ’s command.

But Warren seems to use these incidents in his own personal life as emotional manipulation to his listeners to exalt himself and set up his false premise for his fatally flawed arguments.  If Rick Warren is that concerned for Christians suffering a medical emergency, why did he not mention the recent incident in Kitali, Africa, in which a supposed woman “resister” who had attended one of his Purpose-Driven Conferences who almost died from coffee that was allegedly poisoned by one of the staff and confirmed by a physician that it was poisoned?  Why didn’t he fly over there to comfort her?  After all, Warren tells us that most of his outside speaking engagements are outside of the country.  The leaders in Warren’s Global Peace Plan are taught that people must “change” or “be changed” because nothing is going to get in the way of Warren’s agenda!

Warren further boasts that instead of tithing he gives 91% of his personal income…more emotional manipulation.  He is forever trotting out this reverse tithing model, as though he could possibly be compared to the widow who gave 100% out of her poverty!  Rick Warren is giving out of his abundance!  But there are far graver problems with his statement.  Rick Warren has brought in money by selling a book that does not even tell the truth about what the Bible says time after time.  The money he gives the church or missions is in part from the sale of books riddled with false teaching, so it is contaminated money.  He should repent and refund it back to all those people who bought Purpose Driven Life.  Secondly, the book promotes the personality profiling occultic teachings of Carl Jung in his S.H.A.P.E. Program (Days 29-35).  Thirdly, he should not be telling us what percent he gives as we are warned by Jesus Christ himself in the story of the widow’s two mites in the Bible in Mark 12:41-44.  And for him to even promote 91% giving, many Christians could put their own families in great financial jeopardy, were they to follow Rick Warren’s example.  What a guilt trip and ego trip!!  Finally, who is he giving the money to anyway?  It would appear that much of it goes to finance his own Global Peace Plan empire.  Whether or not he directly controls the purse strings, his giving is like that of the Pope who does not technically own the Vatican and its global assets and bank accounts, but he still possesses absolute power over those assets, all the while claiming a vow of poverty.  I toured the Vatican while I was stationed in Europe, and saw NO poverty; only miles of aisles of gold walls and ceilings…wealth beyond belief.

Rick Warren quotes Jeremiah that the heart is wicked and deceitful above all things; but in contrast he teaches that the “Heart” in his SHAPE is reliable and that we can count on our heart.  It almost impossible to see this conference as nothing more than a Rick Warren infomercial you would see on Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News Network and Zondervan (Rick Warren’s publisher).  Warren quotes 2 Corinthians 10:3 which tell us to tear down and demolish all “isms” strongholds such as communism.  Yet in contrast he blesses “Marxist-socialist-and-abortion-Planned-Parenthood-strongholds champion Barack Obama” into the U.S Presidency. Is that what you call casting down strongholds?   Warren should act like a true elder and be marking Obama who claims to be a Christian, not blessing him into the most powerful office in the world!

Warren fails to mention Mormonism to cast down because he considers it just another Christian denomination.  Warren fails to mention Roman Catholicism as one of his “isms” to cast down, because he is promoting his Purpose-Driven teachings to them, including promoting Roman Catholic mystics such a Henri Nouwen.  Rick Warren then prays at the end of his speech to the Desiring God audience that the Lord would send another fantasy/mysticism author Tolkien (another Roman Catholic false teacher who did not believe in substitutionary atonement, did not believe the Bible was the infallible Word of God, wrote Letters from Santa Claus, promoted the occult, necromancy, and Purgatory, was “no friend of Biblical, evangelical Christianity”).  Why doesn’t he pray for someone who will demolish these strongholds…particularly since that was supposed to be the theme of his speech?

For proof pf J.R. Tolkien’s false teachings, see: http://www.takeheed.net/News_From_The_Front/news25.htm

and

http://www.wayoflife.org/database/tolkein.html .

Why didn’t Warren pray for another Jonathan Edwards, particularly after he just said that he had read his complete works?  Jonathan Edwards would probably have shredded Warren’s books!  Warren fails to mention Judaism, because he is helping them grow their synagogues and endorses one of their leading authors David Volpe, who deny Christ, while he never tells them when he speaks at their synagogues to “behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world.” Rick Warren has written the foreword for Rabbi Volpe’s new book, WHY FAITH MATTERS effectively endorsing a false teacher and false religion of Conservative Judaism which teaches another Jesus.
Here is a link as to a discussion what David Volpe believes about Jesus:

http://www.beliefnet.com/boards_mini/index.asp?pageID=21&boardID=3497

Rick Warren fails to mention Mohammadism (Islam), because he wants Muslims to be a part of his Global Peace Plan, and his collaborator Leonard Sweet believes Mohammad possessed the light.  Are these pastors on the panel so naive that they don’t know that there are now at least twelve books by biblical scholars and lay persons who have authored books which have demolished Warren’s strongholds and principalities…the very thing Warren says we must be mindful of?  Rick Warren’s talks about taking care of his own family, while he simultaneously destroys the family of God who are really Christ’s brothers and sisters, because they do the will of the Father!   I will not devote this expose to go into depth documenting Rick Warren’s false translations [more strongholds to cast down], except to point out that there are a number of corrupt translations in both this speech and his books.  Rick Warren does not cite the CEV in his speech, but his Purpose Driven Life book quotes the CEV as does the Poverty and Justice Bible published by the Bible Society [see CEV expose on this corrupt translation]:

http://www.cephas-library.com/purposedriven/purposedriven_cev_bible_rick_warren_uses.html

Warren said in this speech how much he can learn from his enemies, while he calls good Bereans “resisters” and “enemies of the 21st Century”.  Rick Warren, along with his co-conspirator Dan Sutherland, calls these resisters “Sanballats and Tobiahs…leaders from Hell”.  Together Rick Warren and Dan Sutherland plot and distribute blueprints to churches throughout the world on how to implement enforcement of getting rid of all opposition to Rick Warren’s agenda, without giving the opposition any justice or due process of Biblical discipline.  Warren says we can “learn from anybody”?  Really, learn from false teachers?   If that is true, why didn’t the Apostle Paul tell us how much we could learn from the Judaizers?  Why was Paul so concerned that wolves would come in to the flock of the Church of Ephesus?  The Apostle Paul would not have said, “when the wolves come in…learn from them.”  When did the Apostles or Prophets ever once speak favorably what we could glean from false prophets and false teachers?  Warren states: “If you store up knowledge in your self you’re taking you to Heaven.”  Doesn’t this sound an awful lot like Lucifer’s boast?   I thought Jesus Christ is taking us to Heaven!  Warren and Dan Southerland completely massacre the Book of Nehemiah by falsely assuming it is they (like Nehemiah) that are doing the work of God as well as projecting Sanballat and Tobiah pagan resisters to God’s work to any Christians who oppose his agenda!  This is the height of hypocrisy.  Rick Warren redefines the Scriptural command to “resist” the Devil and “when temptation comes” by telling we shouldn’t resist but “replace.”  Is “replace” and “re-focus” with fantasizing and mystical imagination what Jesus did in the Garden of Gethsemane when he agonized and travailed in prayer resisting temptation to the sweating of drops of blood?  Of course not.  He endured the agony.  The word “resist” in Greek is “anthisteme” which means to oppose or stand against as in spiritual warfare. NOTHING was replaced!  Same meaning in the Book of James:

Jam 4:7 “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

Warren tells us to renew the mind.  But how does he do that with all of the false translations of the Bible he uses and promotes?  He tells us to examine ourselves.  But is that what he did with his own books?  Had he done so he would have to reject his own books for all of the errors and mystical imagination authors he promotes.  Warren tells us that our very lives depend on his speech; this is particularly arrogant when this speech in its own right is biblically flawed (let alone myriads of false teachings in his books and sermons).   Warren tells us that a statement of faith to reach our goal is what we need and what God means by Hebrews 11:6:

Hbr 11:6 “But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

Woefully missing in Warren’s premise is that the faith the Bible is talking about is the object of faith which is Christ himself…not our vision or dream!  Rick Warren has done violence to Proverbs 29:10

Pro 29:18 Where [there is] no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy [is] he.

and completely deceived the multitudes regarding the true meaning of that passage.   This proverb is a Hebrew parallelism in which the word ‘vision’ and ‘law’ are virtually interchangeable and equal in meaning.  That proverb is not about our vision.   For Christians, Christ crucified and preaching the Gospel is the vision for the church.  There are examples in Scripture of a person’s own vision vs. the Lord’s vision, but they are used in a negative context because they are examples of false visions:

Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Jer 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, [and] not out of the mouth of the LORD.

&

Eze 12:24 For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel.

Jeremiah and Ezekiel are more accurately describing Rick Warren’s Purpose-Driven Life and Global Peace Plan vision vs. the vision of the Lord.  And like Warren, these visionaries in the Old Testament would declare that their vision is from God, deceiving even the elect if that were possible.  God did send visions and dreams, but they typically were to warn God’s people of impending judgment…nothing like what Rick Warren is describing.  So who picked Rick Warren to represent any Christians at the Desiring God Conference…let alone the whole world of Christians?

COMMENTARY ON PANEL’S RESPONSE TO RICK WARREN’S

BATTLE OF THE MIND SPEECH:

Burk Parsons tells us he read Warren’s Purpose Driven Church and part of his Purpose Driven Life, yet did not recognize the colossal number of biblical errors.  Burk Parsons states that the panel is like-minded [with Rick Warren].  But we should not be like-minded with false teachers, and we should not be learning from Rick Warren, as John Piper stated, any more than Paul or the early Christians should learn from the Judaizers [or enemies as Warren would tell us to do] who tried put Christians back under the law, just like Warren has done with his unbiblical enforced covenants and forced tithing of members.  Warren completely defies Paul’s command for believers to give “not out of compulsion.”  Warren further contradicts Paul’s condemnation in Galatians, Christ’s warnings on swearing oaths in Matthew 5:34 and the Apostle James’ almost identical warning in James 5:12.

The Desiring God Conference panel praises Warren for his character while Warren insults this very audience by telling them how difficult it would be for this audience to cut the mustard to even be a member of his Saddleback Church or want to be because they would not be willing to make the necessary commitment.  The fact is that true committed Christians would not join Warren’s church because they would not want to become an accomplice to a major false teacher, or sign covenants that the Bible warns against, or participate in stumbling any more of the “least of these my little children,” as Warren has already done with at least 30 million readers and hundreds of thousands of pastors throughout the world, and for the rest of the reasons documented in this expose.  Just like the Galatians whom the Apostle Paul asked: “Oh foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you…”, this panel seems to have been bewitched.  Paul’s response was to twice curse the Judaizers who were trying to put Christians back under the bondage of the law, which is precisely the kind of thing that Warren is doing with his covenants.  If the Judaizer false teachers had so much to offer Christians, or anything, why didn’t Paul tell us?  Why did he curse them twice?

Warren tells us to have a thirst for knowledge.  But are we to have the thirst for knowledge of good and evil as Adam and Eve did which precipitated their fall?  Are we to hunger for the knowledge of the future as Saul did in inquiring of the Witch of Endor?  Are we to hunger for knowledge so much that we lean on mystics like Henri Nouwen and the other Roman Catholic mystics Warren promotes?  Warren would have us seek counsel from the ungodly (enemies of Christ) in direct disobedience of the command to not seek counsel among the ungodly.  Burk Parsons touted Warren’s Purpose Driven Life which contains Warren’s SHAPE and then Piper chimed in and also touted Warren’s SHAPE which contains Carl-Jung occult and androgynous-based personality temperament divination profiling.  Rick Warren states that he hates forced choices, yet that is precisely what you must to in choosing between opposites in his SHAPE Personality Profile required by his church members  [for proof see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qW6aroPRx8.

As though it were not enough of an abomination and disobedience to Christ’s commands to invite Rick Warren in the first place to the Desiring God Conference, Warren now boasts that HE is hosting this conference next year at his Saddleback Church and has recently formed still another unholy alliance with Pastor Peter Scazerro (founder and senior pastor of New Life Fellowship Church & http://www.emotionallyhealthy.org), whom both Ken Silva (Apprising Ministries) and Deborah Dombrowksi (Lighthouse Trails) rightfully exposed on their websites.  Ken Silva rightfully describes Scazerro as “the boldest reversal of the Reformation I’ve seen yet: PETER SCAZZERO BRINGING ROME HOME TO HIS CHURCH“, as Warren is also doing with all of the Roman Catholic Mystics he also promotes along with still another of his apostate partners Leonard Sweet.

The three Reformed pastors on the Desiring God Panel who spoke about Rick Warren: Piper, Parsons, and DeYoung should all have known better than to endorse Rick Warren.   John Piper is without excuse because he stated that he had gone over Warren’s Purpose Driven Life book with a fine-tooth comb, and yet he did not discern the host of biblical errors and false teachings which he should have caught in just the first 13 pages of Warren’s book.  The fourth pastor on the panel, Tullian Tchividjian (Coral Ridge Presbyterian), also Reformed, did not comment at all on Rick Warren, but remained silent in the face of iniquity.  Not a single word of compassion or mercy was brought forth for all of Warren’s victims and shattered churches.  Desiring God must begin with desiring the truth, which these people appeared to be oblivious to.  Instead of critical thinking [the supposed theme of this conference] on this panel, apparently there was none.  And there apparently were none in the audience who were discerning either, including Pastor C. J. Mahaney (Sovereign Grace Ministries…also Reformed) who remained silent. These men have transformed REFORMED into DEFORMED Theology leading both the live audience and internet audience astray.  They are certainly leaving the whole country and Reformed churches in total confusion and our hearts groaning in dismay at what they just launched!  Instead of sounding the alarm on His Holy Hill about Rick Warren, the Desiring God Conference panel gives the impression of cheering him and being a stumbling block to many.  I am therefore compelled to publicly rebuke them all sharply.

The entire Desiring God panel and Rick Warren should be marked for now they have all become accomplices in accordance with this Scripture:

2Jo 1:10   If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:

2Jo 1:11   For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Loren Davis, a God-fearing Evangelist, written up in a front page Wall Street Journal article, has sounded the alarm on His Holy Hill with how Rick Warren is destroying Africa on this broadcast interview on Southwest Radio’s Watchman on the Wall:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUWWCaKoork

(or type in Loren Davis, Rick Warren on Youtube)

And here is the destruction caused by Rick Warren in Uganda:

Ugandan Pastors Call for Apology From Rick Warren

http://charismamag.com/index.php/news/25760-ugandan-pastors-call-for-apology

Also, contact Christian journalist Kato Mivule: [email protected] to obtain a second testimony of what is going on in Africa under the direction of Rick Warren.

Or contact Professor Johan Malan to learn about the havoc Rick Warren has wrought in South Africa:

http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/

Contact: Allen Immanuel, missionary in India: [email protected], and he will tell you about the devastation that Rick Warren has wrought in India!

To dispel another myth in Warren’s speech claiming that sin is a “mental illness,” please read this article by another Purpose-Driven Denomination, Assemblies of God which has failed its people:

MAKING MERCHANDISE OF MEN’S SOULS

http://rock-to-salt.cephasministry.com/EMERGEDurst%26Durst.pdf

And now Rick Warren in his Clairvoyant Christianity has endorsed and written the foreword for Dr. Laverne Adams’ DRIVEN BY DESTINY 12 Secrets to Decode YOUR Future

Foreword by Dr. Rick Warren.  But sadly this is not a surprise; after all, contrary to Jesus Christ’s own warning about predicting tomorrow, Warren guarantees his Global Peace Plan will succeed!

CONCLUSION

 

Instead of praying for another Tolkien, as Rick Warren has done at the end of his speech, we must pray that any unbiblical efforts by Rick Warren do not succeed in his mission or empire.  The Desiring God Conference was supposed to be a “Thinking” conference, but it should have been characterized by the mind of Christ thinking conference which would have resulted in rejecting Rick Warren as a guest speaker.  Praying and studying the mind of Christ would have convinced Rick Warren that he has redefined the nature of man.

Rick Warren should suggest a reading list of great biblical scholars; then he should read Dr. Robert Morey’s THE BIBLE, NATURAL THEOLOGY AND NATURAL LAW: CONFLICT OR COMPROMISE, 2010, Christian Scholars Press. SOURCE: www.faithdefenders.com;  perhaps God might grant Rick Warren repentance to realize that he redefined the nature of man.   Rick Warren spent the first part of his speech telling us to cast down strongholds of imagination, but he closed by fanning the flames of imagination and hoisting up vain strongholds, and even praying for more global leaders who possessed imagination and who would dream dreams.  Does anyone see the contradiction here?   Our war is not just against strongholds of imagination but principalities which Warren entertains and promotes while he simultaneously opposes good watchmen on the wall who are casting down the very strongholds and principalities that Warren imports into his church and books!   Rick Warren needs to be reminded that the primary functions of dreams in the Bible are warnings!  Warren touts Einstein and Paschal.  But Einstein said that God does not role the dice, while Paschal’s wager suggests that we can wager a bet to be saved…why not take the gamble?  This would appear to be tantamount to rolling the dice, turning becoming Born Again into Casino Christianity vs. Biblical Christianity that requires the Doctrines of Grace in which no man can call “Jesus ‘Lord’ unless the spirit draws him.” Salvation is completely at the Lord’s initiative.  No man or women was ever saved by making a placing a bet according to Paschal’s Wager theology!   No, not one (but maybe saved in spite of it)! Warren should cast down Paschal’s vain imagination, not promote him!  Warren mentioned Einstein more than once glowingly.  But what sort of God did Einstein believe in?  Certainly not the God of the Bible:

“I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.”
— Albert Einstein, following his wife’s advice in responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the International Synagogue in New York, who had sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding “Do you believe in God?” Quoted from and citation notes derived from Victor J Stenger, Has Science Found God? (draft: 2001), chapter 3.

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.”
— Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955, quoted from James A Haught, “Breaking the Last Taboo” (1996)

Speaking of Einstein, Warren compounds his sin by promoting Dr. Hugh Ross [who believes in local Flood], while Creation Scientists like Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis, are virtually barred from Purpose-Driven Churches. See:

http://rock-to-salt.cephasministry.com/Michael%20Dowds%20Christian%20Evolution%20vs%20Biblical%20Creationist.%20James%20Sundquist.html

The name of the conference is “Desiring God”…but what kind of God are they desiring?  Certainly not the one described in Scripture if we are to believe the statements by Rick Warren and the false teachers he holds up that believe in a different god.

True Christians must collectively reject the strongholds of Rick Warren’s Purpose-Driven Life, his Jung-rooted Personality Profiling (S.H.A.PE.), and his Global Peace Plan.  Rick Warren says he does not like being trapped by categories of forced choices, yet that is precisely what he imposes on PDC church members in one of the many covenants they must sign who take his S.H.A.P.E. personality profile which forces the person to make many choices between two options [like Introvert vs. Extrovert]…see my commentary on S.H.A.P.E at:

http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com/wfalseteacher2.html

If Rick Warren has sent people packing as he stated in this speech and removed people from his church because these members did not comply with any of his four covenants, then it is he who is in rebellion because he has no biblical business for forcing members to sign these covenants in the first place therefore obliterating due process of church discipline.  But no one really has the de facto power to hold Warren accountable or remove him from the office of pastor.  Warren’s Global Peace Plan does violence to the eschatology laid out in Scripture for the End Times.  You want to pray for Rick Warren?  You had better pray that his Global Peace Plan does NOT succeed as he insists it will.   Because if it does, it would render him a prime candidate for THE man of peace that Scripture warns us about who by peace will destroy many, predicted in:

 

Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify [himself] in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

 

Comments in this report are based on published statements at 2010 Desiring God Conference:

http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/conference-messages/the-battle-for-your-mind

PANEL DISCUSSION:

http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/conference-messages/friday-panel-the-life-of-the-mind-in-the-local-church

[includes video and transcript]

RICK WARREN VIDEO SPEECH TO DESIRING GOD CONFERENCE

http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/conference-messages/by-conference/2010-national-conference

Chris Rosebrough extensive commentary exposing Rick Warren’s speech at 2010 Desiring God Conference October 4, 2010 151 minute and Justin Edwards exposes:

http://airo-cross.blogspot.com/2010/10/pelagian-rick-warren-teaches.html

(scroll down to Pirate Christian Radio)

Every Christian should expose any deeds of darkness of Rick Warren, because Scripture requires us to do it.  Rick Warren mentioned that another major Christian leader fell just this past week in October 2010.  But what he should be saying is that he himself fell at the point when he started promoting his Purpose-Driven Life teachings and other false teachers.  The big difference is that Warren’s fall from grace is far more serious and devastating to the church than this other pastor of a megachurch who fell.  That pastor’s primary impact is only on his own local church.  But Warren’s fall entails taking over and transforming entire denominations like Southern Baptist, Christian and Missionary Alliance and Assemblies of God, as well as purpose-driven countries like Rwanda, and the 195 major cities throughout the world he boasts about.

Rick Warren further boasts about the thousands who have been baptized at his church.  But this is an admission of guilt of the thousands he has led astray in his own church.  Recently a close friend and pastor in another state was discovered having committed a great sin for nearly twenty years and kept it hidden that long.  But now it is all out in the open.  This church is going to do the most loving thing it can to exercise church discipline, by removing my friend from the pulpit, and doing everything in their power to restore this fallen brother.

Rick Warren’s sin is not hidden but has been clearly out in the open.  So if John Piper and Warren’s own congregation really loved him, they would ask him to step down from the pulpit after publicly repenting to his entire Saddleback Church congregation and to the news media.  This would be the severe mercy and emergency intervention that would be required so that Warren is quarantined from spreading his plague even further, not remain silent in the face of iniquity, and not cheer him on as did John Piper and most of the Desiring God Conference Panel did.  Sound the alarm on His Holy Hill!  Now Piper is off to speak at the dominionist/ecumenical Lausanne Covenant Conference in South Africa, and Rick Warren is endorsed it as well.  For exposes on Lausanne Covenant see:

http://www.cephasministry.com/church_and_state_lausanne.html

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/sarah-leslie/dominionism.htm

&

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/sarah-leslie/global-prayer.htm

In this regard, I appeal to you to visit our new website which further documents Warren’s unbiblical false teachings and proves that they are a clear and present danger to the Body of Christ at:

http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com

&

JAMES SUNDQUIST RESPONSE TO RICK WARREN INVITATION TO SADDLEBACK

http://www.zimbio.com/Rick+Warren+and+Seeker+Sensitive/articles/72/James+Sundquist+statement+Rick+Warrens+invitation

 

RICK WARREN: WORLD’S MOST DANGEROUS PASTOR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vghLjyVUSA

 

  1. September 10th, 2014 at 15:27 | #1

    For those who defend SHAPE I have worked at the University of Manchester School of Psychological sciences my Job was clinical consultancy for 9 years for the Psych D PHD program, SHAPE is based on something we called Quantitative Clinical Research this is not Qualitative and cannot be considered to be accurate as personality profiling is not based upon an individualized approach to clinical treatments as some one who has worked in the profession I find it troubling how some people can simply make statements defending SHAPE but dismissing the facts, I have seen how the use of psychological practices have damaged so many people especially in the context of institutionalized religion, I have for some time kept a close eye on Rick Warrens methods and they are unethical.

    The reason why some people are introverted because according to Jung’s teachings they are suitable to co-operating with programs, by why use Jung why not go with other psychologists and state what they defend is nothing more than psychology being masqueraded under the guise of Christianity Extroversion as what some people refer to is simply those people who are on these people are less likely to need any assistant as they are more dominant.

    On the other hand SHAPE does not provide any form of psychometric assessments as they are problematic, my job was dealing with treating service users but interviewing them to see what it is they needed interns of invasive treatment as I was employed partly to train university staff, students, hospital clinicians etc this also includes the British Psychological Society and the NHS professionals and students, this was to ensure that government guidelines were adhered to especially in the running of its services.

    What caused me to leave the Job and Position is simply the truth as this cannot be reconciled between hermeneutics of Biblical Philosophy and a philosophy that rejects the Bible as Gods word, if truth is objective then it is simply pragmatic and relative to your own interpretation.

    Having said this with looking into SHAPE I cannot find that just because someone may strictly adhere to a text book in reality does not always fit the persons situation, this was the whole point of the British White Paper on community based and community led prospective into psychological interventions because much of what has been done in psychology itself has not been efficient, even when you look at a vignette, this cannot define every individual based on personality profiling.

    But I will say firstly is Psychology an actual science as I can call it a pseudo science that has only been around fairly recently, when I look at the term for example behavioral sciences most of what has been carried out was through Psycho surgery, Human Lobotomy in order to increase its studies in behavior has only recently been suggested a few years ago as I know all to well psychology has a darker side, one that is rarely touched because of controversy, this has never been hidden, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJxPrcJTumI&playnext=1&list=PLA5B06614F120B020&feature=results_video

    Psychology as a science denotes any existence that their is a creator because of evolutionary concepts this is why Fraud called any form of belief in a Deity or creator to be a psychosis, Jung was simply into occultism if anyone wants to know about the science of Jung you have to go to the The Theosophical Society we you can read Carl Jungs work he admitted to what influenced his studies.

    Psychologists do not accept that you can goto God for any answers as this is what Psychologists are here for to find an alternative way of looking at things.

    And what they say is also contrary to Modern Psychological philosophy to a Psychologist what they suggest is dangerous, simply because God’s truth is not adherent to modern ideas that Science has proved otherwise, I have often had this debate with some who are part of the British Psychological Society (BPS) who often are one of the biggest opponents to the Bible, we simply cannot reconcile God with a psychological world view with a biblical one, I would suggest they contact my old colleagues and present this idea to them The British Psychological Society St Andrews House, 48 Princess Road East, Leicester, LE1 7DR, (UK) see what they say, with in the 8 years I have worked in the field if even this was suggested you would be sacked, I cannot agree with this statement simply because it is like what the RCC does through the Jesuits mix the two, the Bible says the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. 1 Corinthians 3:19 depends on your world view.

    Psychology does not give room for Gods truth if you hold to the Bible as being Gods word, I think they are then possibly ignorant of what Psychology does actually teach from a purely at a PHd Doctorate Level I cant imagine these so-called expert defenders of Rick Warren have studied a 3 year course after attending 4 years ad med school as I have taught some of these students this has not been without controversy.

    And what they state is simply irrelevant Psychology is purely a philosophy, Sin does not exist, neither does God, the human brain is made up of many chemical compositions what you feel as guilty is nothing more then neurological that can be altered by changing the brain structure of that individual he can simply be cured we are nothing more then molecular this means God does not exist we simply are made up of random processors this is what is taught in Psychological Sciences this is called the Modularity of mind.

    Some of the practices include mindfulness techniques, altering a persons perception that effect a change in their behavior to help them live a stable life with out the need for drugs and Nero Linguistic Programming etc, for example CBT uses some of these techniques

    If you are a Christian yes from this prospective God does use believes and unbelievers but what gives you the right to use unbelievers or secular philosophies as a source of truth does not seem that you are very Conservative in your view a liberal would state such..

    People may quote Alexandria but he was hardly into philosophy let alone a psychologist, if they quote him the University would tell you to consult a historian, how ever if they would quote some of the great minds such as Plato or Aristotle the professional world would sit up and take notice as also some of the greatest humanists that lived are quoted much by Psychologists.

    Benjamin Franklin was evidently a Deist. He believed in God, but there is no evidence that he worshiped Christ. He believed in the Deistic view. And he discovered a truth about lightning rod connecting with an object that caused light (this is electricity). Electricity is a truth. Benjamin Franklin discovered that truth and he was evidently not a Christ-follower. If they closely examine his writings, he was a Deist, like George Washington.

    These other names they mentioned were also Freemasons who worshipped Lucifer, for example Washington was a Freemason http://images2.bridgemanart.com/cgi-bin/bridgemanImage.cgi/400wm.XZL.0234510.7055475/151141.jpg

    so was Franklin http://peacefulplanetimages.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Bemjamin_Franklin_Free_Mason.279215156_large.JPG

    I would not consider these people to be Christian or Christ centered.

    As I have a copy of this book quote ”

    The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare.” [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff , Forward by Reynold E. Blight, 33rd Degree, K.T., Illustrations by J. Augustus Knapp, 32nd Degree, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, p. 48; ”

    But then they would have to admit that their cannot be any comparison between natural sciences we all use every day and mind science, their cannot be any justification for this, these are things we simply through our God given minds been able to gain enough knowledge to use these every day inventions.

    Much of it is Jungian Psychology disguised as occult theology and this is what these people defend here.

    Jung taught the theory of the “collective unconscious” he felt that everyone, regardless of religious background or nationality, had a genetic predisposition to symbolise human situations in certain ways. He called these symbols “archetypes,” and he believed that these archetypes are found in all the religions and mythologies of the world. He believed that each person has access to these archetypes.

    Jung’s ideas contribute to a number of contemporary religious beliefs. One is the idea that we are a part of the Godhead after we become a Christian. This theology teaches that once we become a part of God’s family, then God will manifest His kingdom on earth through us. It carries with it the idea that we are little gods. This heresy had it’s roots in the Garden of Eden. In Genesis 3:5, the serpent tells Eve, “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

    Jung resolutely rejected the Christian view that God transcends the creation. Instead, he embraced pantheism, with its god within. Moreover, Jung deemed himself a kind of liberator who would lead his followers out of the dead ends of Christianity and atheism into a richer spirituality. He viewed his version of psychoanalysis as something of new religion. This is why Noll entitled his study, The Jung Cult. Jung was a highly intelligent and mesmerising personality who was believed by his followers to have a charismatic authority and rare insights.

    The following quote can be found in the link below

    Noll comments that it “is clear that Jung believed he had undergone a direct initiation into the ancient Hellenistic mysteries and had even experienced deification in doing so.”

    http://coolessay.org/docs/index-21040.html?page=75

    as for me I do not accept nor do I agree with Personality Profiling this is another way of trying to construct an individual for who he is rather then let God define a persons uniqueness.

    Their are scientists who disagree with this, you can read up on that here Personality: Critical Concepts (Critical Concepts in Psychology)

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QD5S-uoERRoC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

    I know that Personality psychology is a branch of psychology that studies personality and individual differences. In this a DISC assessment is used, again this is based on man defining who you are, than letting God define you, this putting man in the place of God this is why it is based on the Humanistic school of reasoning.

    It was said to me that “not every area of truth is mentioned in the Bible. God has allowed people through history to discover many new things that are not referred to in the Bible at all. Scripture does not cover every topic or area of reality.”

    But I totally I disagree I would say that Jesus is an example of that, the Bible gives us what we need to know in how we should live on a daily basis, “the fact of secular science” often conflicts with the Christian faith in my own working experience this is so..

    In other words finding the answers may require digging, waiting, asking, and paying attention, but God does respond to those who seek him diligently. “It is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him” (Hebrews 11:6).

    Having dug up questions my self the Bible deals with the following area’s

    From the following

    Angels & Demons

    Bible & Christian Belief

    Christian Life

    Church Life

    The Cross – Crucifixion

    Dating

    Dreams

    Emotional Health

    End Times

    Family Matters – from abuse to Family History, depression etc.

    Friendship

    Heaven – Eternity

    Holy Spirit Gifts

    Homosexuality/Sexual sin

    House Blessing

    Jewish Issues

    Marriage – Abusive Relationships etc

    Money Matters

    New Age

    Their are many more examples, I can go on, I believe the Bible gives us enough to live on as we live in this world.

    Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?

    Any form of science that deals with the Psychical such as Pharmacology, natural sciences and mechanical science yes we learn from these things that are derived from evolution no because these is a philosophy that sets it self against the Knowledge of God.

    The Wisdom either comes from God or the World you cant have both, God gives man knowledge either to use it against him or to glorify his name.

    it is a well known fact even report by not only Psychologists but the BBC that much evil came out of experimentation in psychology were we get our understanding from, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xln23.

    The following is from secular media not a critique on Jung but, from Jung himself on video.

    Here is the proof of that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJnJ1Q8PAJk

    Finding Little Albert – The Brain: A Secret History – BBC Four admits that the study of behavior was from the experimentation of fear.

    This is Jung the man himself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQubC5zc-y4 – Carl Jung On The Psyche – Gnostic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDyo1G6DlAM – C.G. Jung & Gnosis

    Secrets of the Occult – The Scientists – Part 4 of 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIAH8bTx6UQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBO-H7vlRXA – Sea of Faith was a six-part documentary television series, presented on BBC television in 1984 by Don Cupitt.

    JUNG AND THE TAROT – OUR JOURNEY THROUGH THE UNDERWORLD – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzkXlC4r0T4

    C.G.Jung Alchemy and how to predict the future – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfNKdI6iPJE

    BBC proof Jung rejection of Biblical Christianity Jung was heavily influenced by Buddhism though Jung founded CBT based on Buddhism promotes Psychic relaxation etc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBO-H7vlRXA Jung’s root psychological teachings can found from 11 minutes 9 secs from this video.

    I can give you plenty other Proof clips why would I want to learn from some one who is opposed to Christ and His Gospel.

    I believe you are sadly deceived, this is not what the Bible calls worshiping God in spirit and in Truth you cannot reconcile the two as it is diametrically opposite to Biblical Christianity and mix in the teaching in Psychology the Age of Aquarius, and his teaching that all religions are equally valid as expressions of the human Psyche, and all religious expressions and religious truths are simply psychological, Jung was a self confessed practicing astrologer, gnostic and an alchemist..

    Psychology in my view is simply counter Biblical leading many away from Christ and placing our trust in mans explanation, rather than looking to the God of the Bible..

    Sincerely in Christ,

    Miguel

  2. January 6th, 2013 at 08:19 | #2

    Contrast the Scriptural view of Rick Warren in the film

    “Church of Tares: Purpose Driven, Seeker Sensitive, Church Growth & New World Order”
    posted on the media page of our website at
    http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com/peacemedia.html

    with what two pastors, John Piper and Mark Dever have to say about Rick Warren:

    John Piper quote about Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Life.

    “Frankly, I’m appalled at the kinds of slander that have been brought against this book by people whose methods of critique, if they were consistently applied to the Bible, would undo it as the Word of God… When I read the book, I thought “what’s the issue here?”” John Piper, May 28, 2011 Christian Today

    Mark Dever (IX Marks) on Rick Warren:

    “First of all, let us affirm that we love and respect Rick Warren as a Christian brother, and we consider him a genuine comrade in pastoral ministry. His heart for evangelism is second to none. His passion to see people reached for Christ is pulsating, contagious, and quite frankly, convicting. His sincerity is unquestioned, and his apparent success is unparalleled. And we agree with Warren on the fundamentals of the faith. In fact, one of our primary concerns in releasing these reviews has been that we’ll be misperceived as turning our guns on our own guys if we say anything corrective. We’re not shooting at our comrade in arms here. Our intent is constructive, not destructive.” Mark Dever, IX Marks

    Therefore, both John Piper and Mark Dever must be marked, in compliance with this Scripture:

    “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.” Romans 16:17

  3. February 15th, 2012 at 10:43 | #3

    JOHN PIPER’S PUBLIC SLANDER OF GOOD BEREANS AND AUTHORS WHO HAVE EXPOSED RICK WARREN
    Piper has now publicly slandered those who have exposed Rick Warren:

    John Piper quote about the Purpose Driven Life, :
    “Frankly, I’m appalled at the kinds of slander that have been brought against this book by people whose methods of critique, if they were consistently applied to the Bible, would undo it as the Word of God… When I read the book, I thought “what’s the issue here?””
    May 28, 2011
    Christian Today

    A number of people have both publicly and privately confronted John Piper about his unholy alliance with Rick Warren, but he refuses to repent, rather he has now retaliated against those who have marked Rick Warren. Piper does not specifically name me, but because I have written two books exposing Warren, have appealed directly to him, the elders of his church, and he still refuses to repent, it is now time to sound the alarm on His Holy Hill about his statements and unholy alliance with Rick Warren.

    Piper claims to have read Warren’s book, yet does not even see the host of false teachings in Purpose Driven Life and promotion of occultist Carl Jung, rather he heaps effusive praise on Rick Warren. So sadly, it is time to mark John Piper and warn the church at large!

    Kindest regards in Christ,

    James Sundquist
    Director
    Rock Salt Publishing
    Perfect Peace Plan
    http://www.theperfectpeaceplan.com

  4. Hannah
    June 12th, 2011 at 15:35 | #4

    Thanks for the post I actually learned something from it. Very good content on this site Always looking forward to new post.

  5. March 31st, 2011 at 09:56 | #5

    One more comment in response to Joan aka tigerlilyAVATAR charges:
    “Avatar” according to Merriam-Webster is the incarnation of Hindu Deity Vishnu. So the employment of that term in her email should be a red flag and disqualify her from any credibility and at the very least is the appearance of evil…that one would know if they had any knowledge of the Bible. I praise the Lord for this persecution, but we need to mark Joan as a false teacher!

  6. March 31st, 2011 at 09:45 | #6

    Response to Joan’s [aka [email protected]] false charges against James Sundquist
    For one who claims I don’t know the Bible, I would remind Joan that slanderers and those that bear false witness against a brother will not enter the Kindgom of Heaven. Secondly, it is true that Paul preached that Christ is still preached even with false motives. But Paul NEVER said that when another Christ is preached that this was OK. Therefore your assumption and premise are fatally flawed. Most of the Old and New Testaments were devoted to exposing and marking false teachers, which is precisely what Warren is teaching, and now his cheerleader John Piper. You are excusing promoters of the occult (Rick Warren’s Carl Jung based SHAPE), which Piper also praised. This is inexcusable and reprobate! Both Piper and Warren were confronted personally and both have refused correction. You quote Matthew 18. But our article on Warren and Piper has nothing to do with a private matter, rather public teaching. But even Matthew 18 requires going public if the brother does not repent. So for all your glaring accusations that it is us that do not know the Bible and have no business teaching, it is you who are parading your own lack of knowledge of Scripture. Your weeping misplaced. You should be weeping for the victims of Warren’s Global Peace Plan. Who is going to pick up the bloodied dismembered saints left in the wake of Warren’s Purpose Driven Propeller that have chewed to pieces one church after another? Finally, if you are going to accuse of bearing false witness, you had better supply proof. You have supplied none! So you are self-indicted.

  7. March 30th, 2011 at 17:56 | #7

    @Joan
    I have to ask you this since I have heard others say something along the same lines. How are you suppose to restore your brother who is in Sin when he

    1. Simply will not listen to what you have to say?

    2. Refuses to even admit that they where wrong even after you show them other wise?

    Your position that we should not say anything at all goes against what is taught in Timothy.

    1Ti 5:19 NKJV – “Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses.”
    1Ti 5:20 NKJV – “Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear.”
    1Ti 5:21 NKJV – “I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality.”

    The truth is he repeated what he was going to do in front of thousands via Youtube and even at the conference it was a complete white wash. Months before the conference he said that Warren would answer for what he teaches. Instead Warren did not make it and the talk with the panel was nothing but glowing reviews.

    Truth is we need to stand up for what is truth. After all Christ died for the truth and we should be willing to lay down our lives for Him since he paid it all for us.

  8. Joan
    March 30th, 2011 at 17:29 | #8

    You website shows that you barely know your Bible and are in no way positioned to be a teacher or preacher of the Word.

    Mercy triumphs over judgement…

    Whether by false motives or true, Christ is preached….(St. Paul)

    If you have caught your brother in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently….

    If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over…..

    You have done none of these things on your website. I weep for you and your victims.

  9. November 7th, 2010 at 10:51 | #9

    Isn’t the first commenter telling the truth or what??

  10. November 1st, 2010 at 18:20 | #10

    My, my. Apparently there is no depths to which men pleasers will do to gather an audience. Warren is getting worse, not better. Piper and Mahaney are sliding into irrelevance. Thank you, James, for wading through all that garbage to proclaim the alarm. Grow not weary in well doing…